funtoosh, Tuesday, 21. March 2006, 17:28
Chikinki ”Assassinator 13” (Dir. Dougal Wilson)


Stop-motion-fun plus a great song, what else could you want?

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I'm sure this has been posted before but its interesting as its just been completely ripped off by by Alchemy's Carol & Hardy for the enormous (in every sense) Charlotte Church

They should be ashamed of themselves.
         
that'll be this:

wmv here.

rather embarassing indeed...
         
unbelievable! i mean, the stop-motion-thing is naturally not a genuine idea, but to rip it off incl. the setting & the 70ish color palette?
what a shame.
         
wow; a travesty. I bet Carol & Hardy had 3 times the budget, too. If there's any justice they'll never work again. Then again; not like Dougal would touch a Charlotte Church video.
         
who are carol and hardy?
         
C'Mon guys it's really not that big a deal. It's crazy to assume that Dougal owns the shirt change (stop motion) technique - he does not - and even crazier to wish ill will on directors that use said technique on other promos.
         
Where has this idea been done before? I swear I remember something like this somewhere.. Maybe I'm just thinking of Wang Chung "Everybody Have Fun Tonight," which did have some fun inserts in those lightning edits.. But the idea of a quick goof-edit to tease the viewer certainly isn't new.. Dougal did a marvelous job with this, of course.
         
The new All American Rejects video for "move along" uses this technique. It works well.

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Yeah that All American Rejects video is pretty great.



Also, Daniel Levi's "Plan B - No Good" video (http://www.independ.net/flash.html) uses the same "singing-through-stop-motion-in-a room-with-changing-shirts-technique." I wouldn't go so far as to to call it a rip off though. I think it's mostly a case of lots of directors liking stop motion photography. The Chikinki video is pretty fun though, there a lots of interesting little details in there that keep things interesting.
         
Video is not that great. In fact, all stop-motion-shirt-change whatever you want to call them, are not that great. The video lacks an idea that runs through it. Right now it's just that effect. While it looks great and it was well thought out, it doesn't do anything from there. All he could come up with were images that exactly represented a word from the lyrics. There's no thematic element that brings the whole video together. If he had taken it one step further, it probably would've been fantastic. Why does everyon always stop after they think of one cool thing?
         
Such as what Petulia. And which video are you referring to?
         
Dont forget David Fincher / Digital Domain

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well, or gondry's earthlink, in that case: not just the shirts, even the bodies change...
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petu: what are you on about? it's a silly band, a silly (but funky) song, and the dosage of whimsy (apart from sharp styling) is spot on here. the kettledrums, the nekkid, the scenery change (even sending up the band-in-forest), the skelton&bear, the minor camera moves, the rocking horse it's plenty memorable fun. you make it sounds as all he thought of was the t-shirts. pullease...
         
Oh come on!
This whole "Rippoff" argument is pathetic.
I remember seeing stop motion shirt changing done like 20 or more years ago in a short film by Australian artist Brett Whitley, and he would have got the idea of someone else. Think of early silent films, the magician makes the women sitting on the chair disappear into thin air! and the Victorian ladies gasp in astonishment; this technique is as old as cinema itself. The Rippoff argument only starts when a bunch of geeks with to much time on their hands see two disparate videos with the same technique and go "aha! One came first and therefore the second one RIPPED OF THE FIRST"!
At least Carol & Hardy whoever they are, are engaging in an artform, and producing colour and movement that matches a tune and provides some entertainment. You guys are just mindlessly bashing your keyboards heads ablaze with hindsight hoping for some sort of self-aggrandising result.
         
you clearly have something better to do vidbo. tarry not in such lieux of perdition.
         
pro, one of these days you must lend me your polyglottal dictionary, will you? ß~}
         
oogily googily
         
vidbot needs to pull his head out of his ass

i've been drinking

time for bed
         
plaĉi, esti mia gasto.
         
why does nobody mention nysnc's pop?
they were doing a choreographed dance with thier clothes changing, geez
         
you all should check out the "Neighbors", a 1952 short film (and oscar winner) by Norman McClaren, if you want to see some really nice stop-motion/pixillation. of course even this is many years after the first pixillated films, which are from around 1906.
         
Obviously artists and directors are influenced by one another and refer to one another constantly. Anyone who has ever dabbled with pixillation owes a posthumous pint to Norman McLaren, perhaps not least Michel Gondry.

But there's a big difference between influence, homage and shot for shot copy.

Fact is, the Charlotte Church video feels far, far too close for comfort and I'd say the directors owe Dougal a gold plated pint with cocktail umbrella AND a bag of crisps.

I mean how did the treatment read?

PS vidbot. Have you ever been ripped off?
         
Would you believe that Carol and Hardy deny ever seeing Dougals video?

Dougal actually did pitch on this artist but she didn't go for it - the first line of the script read: "Charlotte is a shell suit wearing slag"

No vision that girl
         

         
HASS: That first line is utter nonsense.

Second, why bash vidbot, his argument is right on the nose?
         
Hey Lusk

I rep Dougal at Colonel Blimp and we were told that Carol and Hardy denied ever seeing the video.

I think from seeing the Charlotte Church video that its far too close to the original to be anything other than a rip off of Dougal's idea - this is not hommage or reusing a technique as in the brilliant Plan B video from Daniel Levi in fact its not even well executed.

As for VIdbot I will bash him all I want for he is clearly an idiot.
         
Huh. Claiming this concept as original is kind of a stretch -- with something as technically obvious as this (in the sense of: not such a hard thing to think up) parallel development of similar videos isn't out of the question.

All of these ideas were also explored by Gondry and The White Stripes.

Whatever, this Chikinki video is watchable, while Charlotte Church required me to pull the plug as a result of the terrible tune it accompanied.
         
I'm not claiming the technique is original I'm stating that Carol and Hardy TRIED to copy it but haven't even got the ability to pull off that meagre feat.
         
ps props to raymond!
         
HASS: I'm completely cool with you being dougal's rep and trying to maintain (or create) his myth but am concerned with your blind eye toward the entire argument.

How do you expect any of us to take you seriously if on one line you outright bash someone's opinion (without considering it), fault yourself (and potentially your opinions) with a heavy round of drinking, follow it with 'visionary' nonsequitor opening epilogues, attack other directors for their lack of skill, and then bow to a guy that supports your ramble with a naive pic?

It doesn't work. Dougal's a talented cat, but why do you feel the need to descend into childish finger pointing and/or name calling? You're painting a certain 'coolness' factor to your troupe that feels like a fart in the wind.

Stand up. Act like the professional you claim you are.
         
whoa. i hope imitation is indeed the highest form of flattery. dougal's video is fresh.
         
All very entertaining arguments, but look at the size of her goblins.
         
Ullo
I rep a hot english promo director me
I’m well hard, like me larger and not afraid of a bit of cyber biffo
Diss my boy and ill get shirty
Yah ken?
         

         
well for a start it is Harvey & Carolyn, so at least get that right everybody.....before you start criticising...
         
I would imagine if the hass was not so busy commisioning videos to his own directors whilst wasting hundreds of other poor directors time (again!!) he would be in a much better position to comment. He is probably just bitter that at the offline stage of Charlotte church the video had already been seen by more people than ever saw Chikinki...who ??
         
somebody has certainly got their knickers in a right old twist. I'm sure Dougal couldn't give a monkeys, he's moved onwards and upwards from there...clearly too much time on your hands Hassay
         
before we all launch into a detailed discussion of "hassay: executive producer, commissioner, human being", i'd just like to point out that lusk81 is fucking retarded.
         

         
apparently fun at the "International (frat)House of Promos" continues!
         
But the Chinkiki video did make Promo Magazine.

Charlotte Church video or Promo Magazine.

Which is the bigger piece of shit?
         
The only reason anyone reads Promo magazine is to see their own name in it
         

         
christ you're all boring, if you tried dedicating as much time to your own work as you did to bitching about each others we might see some more original idea's. embarrassing.
         
lighten up chap, this is fun........it's about time the hassinator got a good ribbing!!
         
I'd touch Charlotte Church.

With noise cancelling headphones on.

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Let's face it, there way too many video directors now and not enough ideas to go around. Music video will eat itself!