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Bunny Greenhouse, January 27, 2010 9:51:43 PM CET
Broken Bells - The High Road (dir: Sophie Muller)

vid for the new danger mouse + james mercer (the shins) collab
         
5D = yuk

Really not a fan of this format. It continually strives to achieve incredible results, but continues to fail with flying colors. The soul is gone.
         
me neither
yet a 7d with some good lenses and grading might pass for the real thing, as long as its on a computer screen
         
matei, what are you talking about? a 7d is basically the same as a 5d, but it has a smaller chip which means basically that:

smaller field of view so a 24mm lens becomes a 35mm etc... = deeper depth of field
smaller pixels = more grain/ worse in low light

those are the things that affect image quality, there's other differences that include frame rates etc...
         
As for the video...

www.territimely.com
         
@shatner

5D is 30fps
7D is 24fps

Who cares if it has a larger chip if it shoots at 30fps?
         
@teepeerec Who cares if it has a larger chip? Anyone who is making comments about the respective image qualities like the guys above.

BTW- 30fps is NTSC (US), 25FPS is PAL (UK). 24FPS is film.

7D shoots 24, 25, 30, 50, 60.

Does that answer your question?
         
there is supposed to be a 24p firmware update for the 5D sometimes soon...
         
actually @shatner the 7D's chip size is actually closer to CINE 35mm frame size than the 5d. So a 50mm cine prime on a 7d is more accurate than on a 5d which ends up making it a bit wider.

Regardless of all that very cool video, very "Lynch"ian
         
Besides the ancient 7D vs 5D vs RED Vs film. This video is very well exposed, framed, lit. You name it. They made the medium look good. It might be overly sharp and has very dark shadow but it looks great in general, especially compared to the other slog that is being shot on canons line of cameras.

DP?

besides the techie BS the video is intriguing? maybe? works with the tone of the track but not quite sure what's going on?

         
The biggest issue for me is always the motion. The Wobble. People like the camera because u can run around with it, but it's exactly this running around (and respective wobbling) that instantly cheapens the look for me.
         
@shatner - ive worked with both cameras, and i like the progressive in the 7d (which renders the good ole hvx 200 obsolete), makes it less video-y + motion's better. yes, you can say that photos taken with the 7d arent full frame, but for videos who cares, you scale them down anyway.
i dont like the 5d, but i think the 7d is definitel;y a step forward, despite the fact its noisy in low light + all.
as an upside, it works well on a merlin steadicam (the one ive used,, im sure there're many others) you can wagger about with, its easy to operate etc
but yeah once in a while theres a chance you can no longer read the cards, especially when the cameras get overheated
         
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I like the video.
Does anyone know if its shot with the 5D or 7D? I watch a lot 5D and 7D Videos on Youtube. I like the 7D better... don't know exactly why... the image is different. But is there any "tutorial video" about how to get an monitor on this thing?
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camera talk aside, i actually thought the video was weak. the oddities never clicked like that timely video, which is brilliant. this felt a little sloppy and outside her range.

i prefer the ex-3 with letus any day over the canons except in very low light conditions. i even like the noise that camera gives. but i'm hardly a technician.

i'm gonna watch that timely video again now.
         
The DOP was Steve Chivers...
         
Magic Lantern firmware
         
"The 35mm full-frame sensor is larger than the RED ONE's sensor, Super 35 film. It is approximately the size of VistaVision."

The 7D is closer to Cine35 like i said. You get shallower depth of field (plus or minus depending on your view) and wider coverage on a 5D, which would be nice IF the resolution was higher and you could Repo and Reframe but you cant
         
I just shot a video on the 7D (chose this over the 5D for the extra frame rates and shallower depth of field [given 1.6x lens conversion]). Prior to this experience I've only ever shot S35mm, S16mm, and Red. What's more, despite being an 8bit HD solution, the 7D's footage looked pretty damn good.

We're just getting into the edit now but I have no large complaints about the experience and I'm an admitted film snob (perhaps soon to be a digital convert... *sigh*). In fact, the largest negative I experienced was the difficulty my first AC had follow-focusing with the still lenses; they're just not made for the job.

Overall, I feel like I'm becoming pretty format agnostic... I've seen gorgeous work in almost all the 'mainstream/indie' formats by now and I've seen hideous work in all of them too. In conclusion, I kinda like the Broken Bells video but I also feel like balloonsforeveryone - 'the oddities never clicked'. Nonetheless, it's still an interesting and worthwhile outing.

K
         
agree with kalstark here.

the debates about equipment and camera are so dated, particularly because it doesn't matter anymore. if you have an interesting image, you have an interesting image.

i kind of liked this? i prefer this over soldier of love.
         
@Kalstar -- A neat little $6 follow-focus modification for the 7D can be found here. :)
         
Usually don't like Muller's work. Find it cliche and dated but cliche's and format aside I thought this was not bad. Nice effort.

         
Music's great, video leaves you intrigued. Job done.
         
Canon boy and Nikon girl:


         
The video flows very nicely, the song helps too.
         
Shot on RED. You can have that one for free.
         
Question. Knowing that this video was shot on the RED (if the red flares didn't give it away) Do antvillers think RED looks like crap? Since the common census was that this looks like crap because it's 5D or 7D, but actually it's RED.

Also curious what clues people used to presume that this video was 5D or 7D?
         
classic thread?

a good thing for people to look at before they ever take anything written on this board too seriously (or take "crowd-sourcing" too seriously, for that matter).
         
actually, no one ventured to say this was either 7d or 5d, we were all just talking about cameras.