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mvstills, January 9, 2006 at 9:26:35 PM CET

Hi boys and girls. It turns out kevathens and myself have been mulling over the much discussed new antville site that was supposed to be like a Wikipedia for music videos. My point: a new site would be a heck of a lot of work, when there's already a Music Video project running on Wikipedia:

There was also talk about how to make a stronger and open community. The question is still open, but I feel the project on Wikipedia would be one way to achieve that, at the same time as increasing the accetance of music videos and the industry in general. I'm gonna join the project, anyone else with me?

For those of you who want a forum with news and tips and guest directors, you sould pay a visit to It's not as interesting as Antville, but it's something.

kevathens, January 9, 2006 at 9:33:26 PM CET

Parsing thru the details, the concepts we've been talking about come down to two things:

  1. A Major Music Video Resource, a huge encyclopedia of history and impact of music videos - in my view this would also include individual pages about individual music videos, directors, etc. (try The Simpsons WikiPortal)

  2. have a place that can allow all the people in the industry to gather and share their views and knowledge.

As for #1: The question becomes: What would be the benefits of an independent antville/mv wiki versus a WikiProject? I've been at work all day so I have few ideas yet.

For #2: We talked about this a bit in the first post. (community news blog, antville-like community Q&A's..)

kurse23, January 9, 2006 at 10:39:09 PM CET

Why? It can't even be sorted on what should be posted on this site? Music Videos or "the new video trick sample" file. I'm fine with this site.

progosk, January 9, 2006 at 11:28:02 PM CET
  1. let's try to keep these discussions in as few posts as possible, things start to get cluttered and repetitive very quickly (antville is not built to be a forum)

  2. kurse: not to worry. antville will continue just the way it is as long as people post and comment. a wiki (whether independent or wikipedia-derived) is a complement/supplement, no more, no less, it ain't competition.

mvstills/kev: here's a few things that are too specifically antville-related to fit into a general encyclopedia of knowledge, no matter how deep-reaching:

  • a compendium of classic antville posts/discussions
  • a collated review of recent animation videos
  • a vidcast feed of all-time best performance videos these are just three quick ideas for an answer to roboshobo, i can imagine plenty more. they are ideas that antville, as it is, cannot implement. it's stuff like this that could make a specific wiki worthwhile, imho. (i might be wrong, though.)

as regards the place where the community would "gather" and "share knowledge", that sounds a little abstract - interest communes where it is drawn, it's rarely something achieved merely by design.

kevathens, January 9, 2006 at 11:33:17 PM CET

Very true. Not to mention: Can I even get a hold of the software that creates antville-type community blogs? If not that blows that shit out of the water.

progosk, January 9, 2006 at 11:33:32 PM CET

having looked briefly at the musicvideo wikiproject: looks great, i'm sure all kinds of stuff shoiuld go there. sure, maybe, in the end, even a lot of the antville-related stuff could be subsumed in some corner of it. two concerns i'd always have:

  • how much room is there for opinion on wikipedia (& co)? since strong opinions have always been a characteristic around here...
  • how do those places keep from gathering dust? is it possible for a reference area to stay fresh and vibrant?

kevathens, January 9, 2006 at 11:42:12 PM CET

I haven't browsed too much thru WikiProjects, but it doesn't seem to support opinions/reviews like the kind we see here. Good point.

As for dust, well, it'll get it's share, I'm sure. My site is a good example of how quickly dust can accumulate. (Speaking of..)

mvstills, January 10, 2006 at 12:04:21 AM CET

You're right, Wikipedia isn't built to be an opinion message board, it's meant to provide good, factual information on as many subjects as possible. But, there is always a talk page attached to every article, that's a great place to vent, if you want to.

About dust, it depends on the eagerness and willingness of the contributors, I've seen some projects that gathered tremendous speed and are very current, but this one in particular needs a good shove, which is why I wanted to rally some troops from here to there.

The things that progosk mentioned are more like articles for an e-zine. might be what you're looking for, although it's quite mainstream. Maybe one of you could make an e-zine or a blog with a few editors and do things like that. But don't look at me, I got my plate full as it is.

progosk, January 10, 2006 at 12:21:00 AM CET

erm.. no, not video-c. plenty of more or less edited blogs out there, too. i've dabbled in wikipedia, and i might well dabble in its mv wiki project and provide some good bona-fide facts. but i still think antville could profit from some kind of back-end-cum-outlet. not an e-zine, any more than antville is your average blog. music videos are a strange species, and it's not a coincidence that they've been transformative media catalysts (sorry for the awkward mouthful) more than once already. that's what had me thinking beyond a repository.

so: mvstill, don't read me wrong: i don't see it as a question of either or. every project will have the fate it deserves.

kevathens, January 10, 2006 at 12:21:03 AM CET

The only thing all these various sites don't offer well is community. What we're trying to connect here is the built-in community of great folks here at videos.ant to a broader resource. Indeed, this new site could help center these resources too, even if just as links.

And, rather appropriately now that we've nailed some bits down, it's looking like may be the name of it.

progosk, January 10, 2006 at 12:32:58 AM CET

my last comments on the wikiproject, i promise:

  • the fact that nobody knew about it seems significant
  • a wiki cannot be brought to life by a call to arms.

mvstills, January 10, 2006 at 12:43:02 AM CET

Well, anyway, I'm gonna be working on the wikiproject. If anyone wants to join me, you know where to find me. Kevin, if you want to go ahead with that's great and you can count on my support.

What do you think, should I delete this post?

progosk, January 10, 2006 at 12:53:54 AM CET

no, don't delete! 't's all neural nourishment...

kevathens, January 10, 2006 at 1:03:16 AM CET

Nona deleta! "Don't delete, please!"

I think the MV WikiProject is also a potentially, well almost inevitably, great resource, and I will definitely contribute to it. I'll probably be a little side-lined figuring out PHP/MySQL/etc for a little while. Someone else can work on the Gondry & Cunningham Wikipages, please - lol.

I haven't read the release notes, but I'm hoping an indie MediaWiki site can do easy links to WikiPedia pages. That way the two could combine more easily. The future is connectivity!!

mvstills, January 10, 2006 at 5:54:59 AM CET

What!? You're not gonna make those pages? No way, man, if anyone is supposed to write those it's you. At least I know there's work to be done.

kevathens, January 10, 2006 at 12:48:36 PM CET

Haha thank you, that's sweet.

Honestly I'll probably be inspired to work on other directors. Since the Gondry & Cunningham shit already exists on my site, I wouldn't feel like I was adding anything, just making my place obsolete. Noooo!

mvstills, January 10, 2006 at 7:58:58 PM CET

You're site wouldn't be rendered obsolete. You just have to see it for what it is: a fansite. Not to belittle it in any way, but an information source has to be accurate, you write reviews with passion, which is great. If I get around to thosepages in Wikipedia, I'll be sure to throw a link towards director-file. Meanwhile I'm working on the Jonathan Glazer ones.

kevathens, January 12, 2006 at 7:11:15 PM CET

STATUS: won. I've registered the domain, and my host is now hosting it. I'll get started working on it this weekend...

kevathens, January 18, 2006 at 4:00:08 AM CET

STATUS: videoville is coming along quite nicely. The layout/design is almost finished. I just have to work on other site features (RSS, vidcast, structure). I imagine it may be open in 1-3 weeks. Very excited.

funtoosh, January 18, 2006 at 4:41:31 AM CET

so are we! (very excited, that is)

roboshobo, January 18, 2006 at 5:16:59 AM CET

"I pity the fool who snoops on my site"? kev, you big tease!

kevathens, January 19, 2006 at 10:32:20 PM CET

SHORTSBLOG STATUS: Kris told me he's willing to set up the new antville-related shorts/commercials blog at a site where he has friends. I'm looking forward to this, as (great) shorts and commercials have been popping up here a lot lately.

Anyway as per Videoville, it's ever so close to being ready, but I can't work on it this weekend, so it'll open probably next week sometime.


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