Sorry for the link but as its a flash site there is know direct link. but click the following and its in the video section. Worth a look though! if you have flash player 8 click here> http://www.phaelonproductions.com/phaelon/ and go to video. If you need flash player 8 then simply go through the home page here> http://www.phaelonproductions.com and download from there and go to videos.
         

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please always do a search before posting

         

Chill out mate, so many dorks on this site. Sweet video and nice choruses, suits the song.

         

Yeah it's a really good vid, but I agree - search before posting

         

I hate all this "This is a repost!" crap. What's the point? Making yourself look cooler than someone else because you already saw the video? Look, not all of us have the time to check this site every day and watch - or remember - every single video that gets a link, so I for one don't mind if something gets reposted. Chances are, I didn't get the chance to see the video the first time.

         

forcor: up at the top of the right hand column of this site is a button that says, "find!". Before posting a video, it's very easy to enter the band name or the name of the song into the box and click the button next to it. This means you don't have to read every day in order to know what's been posted.

         

forc: though you misinterpret the intention of signalling a repost (which is merely to avoid redundancy), turns out you've got a bit of a point, given the current speed of antville. after all, how can you be expected to "find" a video you've never seen? used to be you'd find about a weeks worth of posts on the front page - that's down to less than 3 days worth, and so, since people are on the whole allergic to click through to "older stories", unless you check in quite frequently, you're fairly likely to miss something - and thus you appreciate reposts. the hastening pace is perhaps unfortunate (though, as long as the posts are interesting, i've got no complaints), but it's a physiological consequence of antville's popularity.

beyond an extension of the number of stories on the front page (kris?), perhaps the only solution (given that i'll continue to signal reposts when i happen to notice them) is that you, forc, might cooly ignore it. what say ye?

         

Thanks, familiar, but that's not my point. You think I'm going to surf over to this site and say "Hey, I wonder if The Automatic ever made a video for their song 'Recover'"?

The fun of Antville is discovering links to videos for bands you never heard of before. So that's why I'm saying, hey, if I wasn't around on November 20, 2005 to see the link to this video when it was first posted, then how am I ever going to know it existed if somebody doesn't occasionally repost?

progosk: just saw your response after I posted this. Well, OK, but then what's really your rationale behind signalling a repost?

         

reposts: what about a simple archive section? i dont know about antville's capabilities for archiving, but a list (headlines only!) of all posts of the last month (or, in case thats too much, week[s]) would be very helpful, i guess. :-?

i like that this site is dead simple though, so one should not try to put too complicated extras (tag clouds etc.) into it.

(BTW, here's why some people, me included, do not like reposts: this place is meant, i think, for discussing videos, so its best to have ONE SINGLE url for each video, so that it can easily be referenced and refound)

         

Yeah this is definitely becoming a problem. I just did one myself!

Perhaps kris can put a second column, right of the comments, with simple headlines, as you say? This will be trouble for those of us with lower-res monitors, but it would help most of us, I think.

The rss only has 7 headlines in it (see videoville), so that won't work. Although I would love kris to update to rss2.0..

Speed of posts is definitely becoming an issue though.

         

kev, i don t think the archive should be on the main page, better have a separate page with headlines only? (the site already loads slooooowly at times, so we should not make it worse.)

erm, come to think of it, there are already monthly archives, but using text only/headlines only in there might be of help to keep an overview.

         

Thanks funtoosh, for explaining the "why" behind signalling a repost. But I'd suggest a compromise: condone reposts for those of us who don't know what to search for (I mean, it's one thing to repost something that was posted a couple days earlier - that's just lazy - but this Automatic video was posted over 3 months ago!), and then let progosk - or whomever - remind users that if they want to discuss the video, to do it in the earlier post's comments area so that all the comments will at least be in one place.

If someone DOES do a search for The Automatic's "Recover" video (and who would?), then is there any harm done, really, if they find two or three posts? As long as they can see the video, who cares how many times it's been referenced? Hardly a level of confusion worth getting one's panties in a bunch over, I'd say. Better to annoy the handful of Antville regulars who have already seen the video, than keep everybody else in the dark about an interesting and creative work, just because they don't think to look for it.

Though wouldn't it be awesome if Antville could recognize a repost, delete it, then simply redisplay the original post in its place? Awesome, and impossible.

         

forc: to keep the place from being flooded with reposts. reposts are common from newcomers so it's just a little hint at a vague etiquette - posters are free to choose to heed or ignore it.

there can be good reasons for making a repost (or for just keeping one in), but there can also be bad ones. as is, i think there's a fair mean being struck.

funtoo: the search/find is the archive, as far as there can be one; if you want it in posting order you can list all the antville stories. tag clouds? it ain't gonna happen (not until antville v.38, by the looks of it...). re: discussions to be kept in one place: you've got a point - but that's not everybody's primary use for antville...

         

oh well, so you can list all stories! maybe this should be linked then, somewhere. any more hidden features? ;-)

though that section is a little bit geeky (as opposed to usability) with the makros in it ...

         

progosk (and others): Okay, my last word on this... :)

What I feel is that, if you get newcomers and others to observe your "etiquette" by searching before they post to make sure they're not reposting, then each video eventually gets lost in history, thanks to its being posted once, possibly months ago. And that's no fun for those of us who weren't there when the video was freshly posted. (Again, the idea being that 90% of the videos here are for artists that nobody's heard of and wouldn't think to search for.)

So that's my whole point: unless you're reposting something that obviously went up within the last few days, and you only need to scroll down (or go one page back) to see that, then VIVA REPOSTS!

         

Maybe we need a sort of monthly/bi-weekly Antville community round-up post?

I've been thinking of doing a post like that for pre-2004 vids posted here that have been missed (The Knife "Pass This On" was to be my lead)

         

my last too: i'm careful not to ask reposters to take their post down (not my job anyway). ok, maybe qualifying a notice of a long-past repost with a date (or something like that) might be an eco-friendly thing for the future. but: why not consider a repost notice as a useful pointer to previous comments on the same vid? (oh, and: it ain't my etiquette either - it's what antville asks you to when you post a new link: "... Please use the site search to avoid reposts.")

         

ugh, kev, of course it would be cool to have a monthly round-up of what s been going on, but, who s gonna do that? would you? that s a bit of work, be careful ...

nice thing of course, kottke does it for his blog.

so theres two approaches, an automatic one (structured archives ...) and a manual one by an editor/contributor. both are nice-to-have, no doubt ...

forcor, one more last word on reposts: i understand what you mean, but i don't think it would be a good idea to have monthly reposts of all recent madonna & kanye west videos ... (we could do that automatically though ,~)

         

Automatic would be great (when does antville become open source?). But I'd say give it a shot as a collective-round-up, not an individual-round-up. i.e. someone posts, then everyone post their faves from the last month. We'll see if anyone cares to do that..

         

and one last thought on organzing the site: if it worked to create overview posts (even polls, as progosk suggested) for every month, it might be a good idea to keep them on top of the other articles (aka 'stickies') as a kind of orientation for those who do not come here like every other day.

(again, i do not know if that s technically feasible with the antville software)

         

(kris!) That's a really good idea, actually.

         

continuing